“Leadership is not about you. It’s about how people interpret what you do. It’s what somebody gets. Leaders have a job of inspiring and helping the next generation of leadership”

In this episode, I talk to the legendary Dave Ulrich. Dave is a well-known, highly acclaimed speaker, author, and professor. Dave has been ranked as the #1 management guru by Business Week and has a passion for ideas with impact. His bestselling books and popular speeches have helped shape the corporate agenda, and his work has completely revolutionized the way human resources is practiced and viewed in companies today.

You’ll hear Dave offer his savvy, non-nonsense and practical thoughts about the multiple paradoxes leaders face and how to resolve them. We talk about the balance between task and relationship and how great leaders spend their time and energy.  He emphasizes the importance of taking care of others, forming strong bonds and relationships, and co-creating a sustainable business with others. While complexity and uncertainty are givens,  human connection and our guiding principles provide a simplifying compass to help us navigate the way forward.

In this episode:

  • The human aspect of leadership
  • Judging people by more than just their behavior. What is their intent?
  • Providing value through giving people what they need, not what we know
  • Being a leader does not mean knowing everything
  • The importance of co-creation in leadership 
  • Navigating complexity and uncertainty
  • Keeping it simple is an art
  • And more!

Power Presence Academy: Practical Wisdom for Leaders is the go-to podcast for anyone who leads. Your host is Janet Ioli, leadership and human development expert, sought-after coach and advisor to global executives, and former executive with experience in four Fortune 100 companies. She helps leaders ground themselves with confidence, connection, and purpose and learn to lead with Less Ego, More Soul.


Noteworthy Quotes from This Episode

“I think that’s part of leadership today. I think in a technology-enabled world, it’s one of those fascinating theories of paradox. We’re more isolated. You’re in an office, I’m in an office, but we’re also more intimate. You can see my office and you’re able to ask me about it”

“When you work with people, understand where they’re coming from. Don’t just judge them by their behavior, judge them also by their intent and heritage.”

“The most successful leaders navigate paradox. They know how to manage the tensions.”

“The best thing you can give an employee in a company is a company that succeeds. If your company doesn’t succeed in the marketplace, there is no purpose. There is no experience. There’s no job.”


Resource Links:

Dave Ulrich is the Rensis Likert Professor at the Ross School of Business, University of Michigan and a partner at the RBL Group, a consulting firm focused on helping organizations and leaders deliver value. He has published over 200 articles and over 30 books. He edited Human Resource Management (1990-99), served on the editorial board of 4 other journals and the Board of Directors for Herman Miller, coached successful business leaders, and is a Distinguished Fellow in the National Academy of Human Resources. He is known for continually learning, turning complex ideas into simple solutions, and creating real value to those he works with in three fields: organization, leadership and human resources.

You can find Dave’s books here.

If you want to become more grounded, confident, and aligned with your deeper values in just 21 days. Check out my book Less Ego, More Soul: A Modern Reinvention Guide for Women.

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Janet is the founder of Power Presence Academy.  She helps leaders ground themselves with confidence, connection, and purpose and lead with Less Ego, More Soul.