“When you create relationships where people feel listened to, cared for, a part of something, and they feel like they belong, you’re doing something really human. And that’s where we unleash our talent.”

In this episode, I talk to Dr. Richard Boyatzis, one of the world’s leading experts in leadership development and emotional intelligence

A senior executive I was working with in 2008 handed out the book “Primal Leadership” to his entire executive leadership team. We then facilitated discussions about emotional intelligence and leadership that greatly impacted leadership expectations and ultimately the culture of the company.

I am thrilled to have one of the co-authors of that book with me today to discuss not only the topic of emotional intelligence, but also leadership development, the importance of emotional intelligence and leadership, and how leaders can help people change through the power of coaching.  We talk about his latest book, “Helping People Change: Coaching With Compassion for Lifelong Learning and Growth” and how trying to “fix” people is a faulty goal. Great leaders are also great coaches, and we discuss how leaders can become better at coaching others.

There are too many gems of wisdom in this episode to describe. If you are seeking to increase your overall leadership effectiveness, you won’t want to miss this episode.

Dr. Richard Boyatzis is a distinguished university professor at Case Western Reserve University in the departments of Organizational Behavior, Psychology, and Cognitive Science.

In this episode:

  • Richard’s journey from astronautics to his role today
  • Coaching people to be open to learning and change
  • Good intentions don’t mean effective change
  • Paying attention to the quality of your relationships as a leader
  • The importance of a shared sense of purpose
  • And more!

Power Presence Academy: Practical Wisdom for Leaders is the go-to podcast for anyone who leads. Your host is Janet Ioli, leadership and human development expert, sought-after coach and advisor to global executives, and former executive with experience in four Fortune 100 companies. She helps leaders ground themselves with confidence, connection, and purpose and learn to lead with Less Ego, More Soul.


Noteworthy Quotes from This Episode

“We are amazingly adaptive. And if you can liberate people from the controls implied or imposed by others, there are no limits.”

“Nobody gets convinced of things by rational arguments. We get convinced of things by emotional arguments.”

“You don’t lead a budget, you don’t manage money, you don’t manage a product, you don’t even manage a plan. You manage, and hopefully, lead people. So your entire job does not have to do with money, budgets, and plans. It has to do with people because that’s what you’re leading.”

“We exude from our brains directly to other people’s brains our emotional state. It’s deeply unconscious. And no matter how much you think you can control it, you can’t.”

“You’re basically doing everything as a leader through your relationships, not through goals. Goals don’t motivate people, people motivate people. It’s through relationships.”


Resource Links: 

Dr. Richard Boyatzis is a best-selling author and one of the world’s leading experts in leadership development and emotional intelligence. His nine books include the international best-seller Primal Leadership, which he co-authored with Daniel Goleman and Annie McKee. 

Dr. Boyatzis is the Distinguished University Professor and the HR Horvitz Professor of Family Business at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland and a Professor in Human Resources at ESADE in Barcelona, one of the top business schools in the world. He has written over 150 articles on leadership, motivation, behavioral change, emotional intelligence, and managerial competencies. His latest research is the analysis of the neuroscience of effective leadership and coaching.

Order Dr. Boyatzis’s latest book, Helping People Change.

Read Dr. Richard Boyatzis’s book Primal Leadership or find more of his books here.

If you want to become more grounded, confident, and aligned with your deeper values in just 21 days. Check out my book Less Ego, More Soul: A Modern Reinvention Guide for Women.

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Janet is the founder of Power Presence Academy.  She helps leaders ground themselves with confidence, connection, and purpose and lead with Less Ego, More Soul.