“Where we are now, compared to where we were 30 years ago is an entirely new, startlingly destructive time.”

One of the things that I like to do on this podcast is have deeper conversations about issues regarding leadership, and what type of leader and person we need to become to lead effectively. That’s why I’m delighted to have Margaret Wheatley as my guest today. 

As a consultant, senior-level advisor, teacher, speaker, and formal leader, she has worked on all continents (except Antarctica) with all levels, ages, and types of organizations, leaders, and activists. Her work now focuses on developing and supporting leaders globally as Warriors for the Human Spirit.

We cover everything from societal destruction to elevating your individual consciousness.

In this episode:

  • What motivated Margaret to write her book “Leadership and the New Science”
  • The common denominators contributing to the destructive state of our time
  • Human nature, leadership, and societal destruction
  • Elevating your individual consciousness
  • And more!

Power Presence Academy: Practical Wisdom for Leaders is the go-to podcast for anyone who leads. Your host is Janet Ioli, leadership and human development expert, sought-after coach and advisor to global executives, and former executive with experience in four Fortune 100 companies. She helps leaders ground themselves with confidence, connection, and purpose and learn to lead with Less Ego, More Soul.


Noteworthy Quotes from This Episode

“I never write a book until it tells me to write it. So I’m instantly in a relationship, not with my own desire for fame or tension. I get a clear message that this book is here. You’re the author of it, and then it becomes a vehicle for me to bring in all my experience.”

“Our hearts are completely forever broken once we wake up to what’s happening to so many people. So much devastation to other species, to habitat, and to us humans.”

“Leaders have always striven to amass power and wealth. That’s human history.”

“We’re now living in a time of complete narcissistic greed and self-protection from the elites. And I have to bring in here the pattern of history, which is something I rely on now, of what every civilization goes through, manifests in its last stage. We are in the last stage, it’s a global calamity.”


Resource Links: 

Margaret Wheatley has written ten books, including the classic Leadership and the New Science. She received her Doctorate from Harvard University in 1979, an M.A. in Media Ecology from NYU in 1974, and a B.A. from the University of Rochester in 1966. 

Find the two books Margaret mentioned here:

Leadership and the New Science: Discovering Order in a Chaotic World 

Restoring Sanity: Practices to Awaken Generosity, Creativity, and Kindness in Ourselves and Our Organizations

You can also find her other books here.

Connect with today’s guest on her website: margaretwheatley.com


If you want to become more grounded, confident, and aligned with your deeper values in just 21 days. Check out my book Less Ego, More Soul: A Modern Reinvention Guide for Women.

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Janet is the founder of Power Presence Academy.  She helps leaders ground themselves with confidence, connection, and purpose and lead with Less Ego, More Soul.